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Wednesday, 2 December 2009
More on the Air Tran Flight 297 Incident
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Chaplain Dr. Keith A. Robinson is another eyewitness to the incident we reported last night about Air Tran flight 292 from Atlanta to Houston on November 17th.

His account is in pdf form here.

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Posted on 12/02/2009 9:05 AM by Rebecca Bynum
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3 Dec 2009
Send an emailcj

What appears to be disturbing is the fact as Americans we are drilled to believe we live in a country that is currently shedding blood to allow us to remain and to espouse our freedom. But we really are not free...if we have such human beings acting so rudely and in a terroristic manner, all airplane customers should have the ability to get off the plane and exhibit their freedom. Why was this glossed over? What is the position of Homeland Security?



3 Dec 2009
Send an emailBP

If you want to put your life on the line & fly with this group go ahead.  But as a retired Flight Attendant, I don't know how they would find a flight crew who would take them! 



3 Dec 2009
Artemis

A conflicting account of the AirTran Flight 297 is here.  Passenger Nancy Deveikis of Marietta, GA says that it was a simple misunderstanding, that a flight attendant asked a non-English-speaking man to turn off his cell phone, which was (according to Ms. Deveikis) actually a camera.  This was apparently enough for the crew of the airplane and 12 passengers to deplane, some of them in tears  (she agrees on these points), and enough for the FAA to open an investigation. 



3 Dec 2009
Artemis

From both accounts, some passengers, a minority but some passengers had reached the point of standing up to the Muslim threats and intimidation.  We as a society have been paralyzed by fear of being branded "racist" or "Islamophobic" or whatever poo Muslims fling, but people are starting to awaken from their stupor.

The airline, law enforcement, and the media are of course still cringing in complete terror of the poo flinging, but out of a plane-load of passengers, a handful were ready to stand up for common sense and their dignity.   Poo washes right off, cowardice does not.

Chaplain Robinson is right, at some point a plane-load of passengers on a future flight will take up the challenge, and there will be victims of a different sort.  The bullies have not backed down, nor will they back down.  A contentious encounter is inevitable.



2 Dec 2009
Send an emailJoyce

I had exactly the opposite reaction to the article by the Chaplain.? I am very thankful for his willingness to speak up and give another eyewhitness account.? My wariness is now tenfold increased, not decreased.? The contempt for the flight crew and the passengers seems to be extremely obvious and thus dangerous from the eleven Middle Easterners.? I am 100% behind the Chaplain in deciding that we Americans are being led? into a submissiveness that is totally against our very essence as a nation, as a people.

AirTran obviously was trying to avert a media frenzy, such as happened when a noisy toddler and his mother was ejected from a flight.? The media uproar was ridiculous.? Why should I have to endure a screaming child, a drunk adult, a tyrant of any nationality threatening me, or any other situation that the airline has the right to decide,disrupts the flight.?

No, they caved.? And all those passengers spent a very nasty flight, so that 11 men could think it was funny.... or some other more serious intent.? Either way, the action was wrong.? They should have been told to find another airline.

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Where are the rest of the passengers from that flight??



2 Dec 2009
Send an emailHugh Fitzgerald

My previously-expressed wariness (see the comment to "Possible Dry Run?") has diminished but not completely disappeared. The more written testimonies from passengers on that flight, the better. And then let's see what the press, and the government, and the airline industry, does with it.

?The question the chaplain raises is a good one:? who should be made to suffer, the many non-Muslim justifiably agitated and frightened passengers, forced either to leave the flight, or to endure it, or the 10-12 Musilm men who were clearly having great fun deliberately tormenting those non-Muslims by their activities and possibly were up to something more sinister, though frightening people on an airplane is sinister enough??This question should be raised and discussed publicly, on radio and television shows. We can all imagine ourselves, or those dear to us, on such a plane, being forced to endure such a situation, for hours and hours of flight, and additional, quite unnecessary fear, to add to any fears we might already have. Such agitation and fears could even be, would clearly be, a health risk to some passengers.

And this story, of the Muslims acting up in ways they knew would scare the pilots and cabin crew and the passengers, may also stand synecdochically for the Western world, with the Muslim presence that so agitates, in every way, while every possible means to further disrupt the lives and laws and customs and manners of non-Muslims is undertaken, with ferocious determination, aggression, and cruel glee, by Muslims all over the Western world. We are putting up with it. We are enduring it. It makes all of our lives less calm, fills all of us -- especially now in Western Europe, in such places as Rotterdam and Marseille and Malmo, but not only there -- with a dread that we are not permitted to share, lest we be accused of exactly what Air Trans was afraid it would be accused of. This situation is intolerable. We need not tolerate it. We owe Muslims nothing. They did nothing to create our societies, and by and large they have come not as real refugees, but as people who despise us (Wafa Sultan tells of how she heard that a fellow Syrian had obtained his American citizenship and when she congratulated him on it, he acted surprised, telling her, in Arabic, that he regarded Americans as "under his shoe"-- if I recall her words correctly -- meaning he was going to exploit his citizenship, but she shouldn't think for one minute that he did not despise his new fellow citizens.